The Trading Post
and Hobby Services
forums has been set up as a service for the WestGamer membership as a means to buy, sell and trade models and gaming supplies & services on WestGamer.
This is a registered forum. Only registered users may read the board, post, reply, etc.
Please note that in addition to the general site rules outlined in the Board User's Code of Conduct
, it is a condition of use that users of this forum adhere to the additional guidelines below.
ANY POSTS IN THIS FORUM THAT DO NOT ADHERE TO THE RULES MAY BE DELETED WITHOUT EXPLANATION.
If you make a post and it gets deleted - read through these rules again to find out why. Do not simply make the post again as it will be deleted once more and you may have your access to the trading post removed. Consider this fair warning.
The Most Important Rule!
Both the Trading Post and the Hobby Services forums are a free service provided to the WestGamer membership. Use of these areas - as well as the rest of the website - is a privilege, not a right.
Be warned that while WestGamer provides these forums as a service to members, we are in no way responsible for any trade, purchase, or service arrangement that you might make here.
User beware. Ensure that those you deal with are respectable, honest people and ensure that you are yourself. Whilst we reserve the right to remove repeat offenders from the board as we see fit, do not contact us expecting a moderator or the admin to chase after any user you have had problems with or to resolve your bad trade issues. That is your responsibility
and your responsibility alone
The Trading Post is intended only for the buying, selling and trading of gaming and hobby items. Any other items may not be advertised here. That also includes offering to trade non-gaming items for gaming items, (or vice versa) i.e. 'I have an amp to trade for a Baneblade tank'. If in doubt whether an item is suitable, check with a mod or admin. In short, other items may not be advertised or traded on this forum.
The Hobby Services sub-forum is also able to be used for any trading/selling of hobby services, such as painting for commission. The same rules apply as for any other items (it must be gaming related), the difference in this case is merely that the item in question is a "service" not just goods.
Note that the rules for posting conduct in the Hobby Services sub-forum differ a little to those for the Trading Post and can be found <here>.
Trading Post - Thread Format
There are 3 different types of threads that you will commonly use at the Trading Post:
WTS - Wanted to sell:
You possess an item (or items) are looking for a buyer to take it off your hands.
WTB - Wanted to buy:
You are looking for a particular item to purchase from someone.
WTT - Wanted to trade:
You possess an item (or items) and are looking for a trade for other goods rather than a straight sale.
When making one of these posts - please use the following format:
"WTB/WTS/WTT - Item name/description"
For example: "WTS - Fully painted 1000 point Ultramarine army"
Trading Post - Posting Conduct
If there is an active thread in the Trading Post, all buyer/seller/trader interest must be posted in that thread. PMs (private messages) should only be required when exchanging personal details (bank accounts, addresses, etc). All posts to do with the transaction must stay in the public thread where all interested parties and moderators can see them. This policy is also in place to prevent any underhanded dealing in private where a seller tries to play off two or more buyers to try and get a better price, or similar situation.
Stealing someone's sale is bad form. Don't try to sell an item in someone else's Sale thread. You wouldn't like it if someone did it to you, so don't do it. The reverse is also applicable - don't steal what someone else is trying to buy.
Auctions are not permitted in the Trading Post. If you want to hold an auction please use an auction site such as eBay. Advertising off-site auctions on this forum is not allowed either.
Do not simply link to a sale thread that you have in another place/forum. Post complete details of the item/items here so that people do not need to hunt around for the information.
Please note that businesses (and that includes "work from home" or "weekend" businesses) may not advertise in the Trading Post forum. Contact the Admin instead and we'll see what we can do.
Trading Post - Tips & Advice
A Seller's initial post should include:
*Item Condition - This part is important, especially when selling second-hand miniatures. Make sure you are very clear in describing the condition of the miniatures, whether they are painted, unpainted, stripped, undercoated, dented or damaged, missing parts, or in perfect condition. People like to know what they are paying for. If the models are painted or undercoated, or have been stripped, you should also describe the condition of those factors. Remember that potential buyers are going to ask you these questions and more, so include as much information as you can in your initial post.
*Price - If you are selling items then you MUST include a price in your initial post. Do not simply refer to pricing in another location (like another website) without clearly listing a price yourself. Auctions are not allowed, therefore we also don't allow sellers to 'take offers'. Please do not include phrases like 'Or Nearest Offer (ONO)', 'Prices are negotiable' or 'PM me with offers'... Only sell on this forum if you have a set price and seriously want to get rid of your item. If you want to fish for the 'best price ever' then perhaps eBay would be a better option.
*Item Edition - If selling miniatures you should include the miniature edition in your initial post. If you are unsure of the edition, post a picture instead or just let the buyers know - that way they won't have to ask.
*Postage Costs - Include information about postage in your initial post. You obviously can't always quote a dollar value but you should at least let the buyers know whether you are footing the bill for it, or if postage is included/extra.
*Payment Options - You should include the accepted forms of payment in your initial post. If you only accept Money Orders, say so. If you accept Direct Deposit and Paypal, say so. Again, this is for buyer awareness and to save you some bother down the track.
*Other Conditions - If you have any other conditions you must list them in your initial post. For example, if you don't like posting items interstate you must make this known in the initial sale post. This will save a lot of problems cropping up later. As another example, if you are selling multiple items but only want to sell them in one lot, let the buyers know.
*Manufacturer - You should always be clear on what brand of item you are offering. For example, if you offer a squad of '40K Ork boyz' people are going to assume that they are particular miniatures made by Games Workshop. If you then send out a squad of cheap stand-in miniatures that you bought from another company because you didn't want to buy the original figures, your buyer is (quite rightly) going to be pretty angry. You should always mention if the items you are selling for a system are not made by the manufacturer of that system.
*Holding Items - If you post in a seller's thread to say you are interested in something, don't expect them to hold it for ever. The more time the seller has their item sitting 'in limbo' waiting for you to get back to them, the less chance they have of selling it to another buyer. A day or so is a reasonable time to hold something so if you come back after a week offline because you've been on holidays, don't expect that stuff to still be on hold for you. The seller is under no obligation to hold any items for prolonged periods for anyone, regardless of what order they posted their interest in. Nor should they be expected to hold on to items for more than a few days in any case.
*Update Regularly - If you have a lot of stuff up for grabs, it often helps to let people know what is still available and what is not. Either make a quick post (e.g. 'The giant is now gone') or go back into your original list and edit it.
*Important Tip - A picture is worth a thousand words!
Problems & Trading Issues
If, for whatever reason, you feel that a trade/sale/service arrangement is going wrong, try to keep it private. Use the PM (private message) feature of the site and/or email to try and get a hold of the person to sort things out. If you can't get hold of the person and have to resort to a post in the forum, keep it simple and factual. Something like 'XXXX - please contact me'. Under no circumstances should you post anything accusatory like 'XXXX - WHERE IS MY STUFF YOU @#$%!'. If you have absolutely no luck in getting hold of the person then unfortunately you may have to count your losses and simply learn from the experience. A good rule of thumb when deciding to do business with someone is to search for any other threads they have made or transacted in and see if there is any feedback available.